Intro: Well, as many of you know, I run a counseling ministry, hopefully in the next few years to become a counseling center. And so there's a lot of people that come into the counseling room, we'll say, with suffering, as you can imagine. It's often one of the things that drives people to get help is a certain amount of suffering. So I see suffering a lot. And most recently, the man whose name is Andy, wouldn't mind if I use his name. Andy's a friend of mine that I met. He's